An EVM-based L2 over NoM, what practical advantage will it have compared to other L2s like arbitrum optimism, ZKsync?
Will it be FEE-LESS?
All the dapps, NFTs in ethereum chain could be deployed in without any code change. This will be truly massive if only we could implement it feeless
Only the base layer is feeless, L2s or other sidechains can have their own architecture and design decisions.
I support an EVM compatible L2/sidechain because it will drive value into the ecosystem.
And utility.
Not at first, but anyone can build new L2s and connect them.
An EVM compatible L2 in zenon is massive for us. But for the entire ecosystem as a whole, how can we stand out. It’s literally raining “EVM L2s” out there, tons under testnet.
@sumamu what will be the native token (or will be called coin) ? Any gas burning proposals like eth?
Any ZTS, probably ZNN on this one. Do you have other suggestions?
I think $QSR is a better option , maintaining it as a gas token. $ZNN kept for governance.
EIP 1559 like proposals can counter inflation from emissions .
Can we do it like arbitrum- use native ZNN or QSR as the gas token and with the probability of a future airdrop of a governance token for the LAYER 2. Airdrop farmers will increas zenon exposure
I don’t see why not.
I think ZNN should have the most utility into the ecosystem. Having it used for fee also mitigates its inflation, which could be a very interesting design decision.
That’s why I also voted for ZNN. Using it as gas for an EVM integration would greatly increase its utility.
I started researching EVM implementations and I think an EVM sidechain can be a first iteration in the right direction.
$ZNN is not a gas token period.
For now. Adding period to your sentence won’t close the discussion. The decision would be pushed on ZIP too soon and it might be better not to let people who can vote for ZIP chatting alone too soon imo.
Your argument is solely based on a few models with governance tokens that are not used for gas solely because they’re on $ETH. If they had their own chain what would it be ? Let’s not fight for ideology but for the best Zenon economy.
QSR is going to increasingly become a scarcer resource as individuals continue to set up more infrastructure- no need for it to function as gas on an L2 imo
Shouldn’t be a big deal unless the L2 absorbs a big chunk of the economy. If it does, then I don’t think we can just easily pick one without diving deep into the effect on the token economy of the underlying network.
Shazz voted for another token but didn’t reply, so I’ll post for him:
Shazz: zBTC 
Ya, I tend to agree. In my mind QSR is for progressive decentralize and throughput on the L1.
Bringing additional utility to $ZNN on other chains will drive demand and value to $ZNN.
In my opinion a Layer-2 and/or sidechain implementation will bring EVM/WASM compatibility for NoM and will greatly expand the ecosystem. The NoM Multichain Technology can become a de-facto hub for interoperability within the ecosystem.
This way, the base layer remains minimal & efficient as Mr Kaine emphasizes and all the heavy work/bloat is kept in a separate execution domain.
Pillars produce inflation as ZNN and they will also run the orchestrator nodes. It makes sense for them to also act as validators for a L2/sidechain where fees are paid in ZNN. The L2/sidechain should not produce additional/separate inflation. Pillars can bridge part of their ZNN inflation into the L2/sidechain ecosystem and they will be incentivized to bridge more if usage is high.
@NeoShredder ZNN is not a gas token because the L2/sidechain will use a wrapped representation of it. It can be called eZNN or xZNN (execution ZNN).
This makes a lot of sense.
Pillars yield (inflate) ZNN as rewards for the services they provide. Pillars convert ZNN into gas* (Hydrogen) and then sell the gas tokens to users, who then use the gas to pay for services.
The virtuous flywheel effect would plausibly increase the value of NoM as it would be fed by the TVL conversion from fiat and other currencies.
More value to NoM = more value to AZ = more dev funds = more development = max flywheel effects.
The implementation of Hydrogen token would also serve as a sort of insulation from delegating for yield and governance, vs network utilization gas.
*I think that an annotated ie xZNN ticker would be more confusing for the users and onboarding aliens, even though it makes more logical sense to a tech person, I think the average person would find it more confusing.
edit: although… how does the user get the gas?
Since gas is used with a L2 znn to gas conversion should be done at the bridge.
I don’t think it’s a good idea unless we could drive a lot of traffic to network. Gas token derived from znn goes against zenon feeless ethos imo.
Is it an ethos or a feature of the layer 0?
Evm could use gas, other vm’s could use plasma? :dunno:
Honest questions open to thoughts.