# KASPA - Can we learn anything from them
**URL:** http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627
**Category:** Marketing
**Created:** [September 20, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627 "2023-09-20T21:28:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@Stark](http://forum.zenon.org/u/Stark)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/61 "2023-10-06T15:23:06Z")
This narrative reads as a brain dead slow rug.
With that stated, yes we will benefit from simple narratives and memes.
I’m working on capturing the overarching NoM narrative and will also break it into snack size bites, like the cave man thing there.
We will avenge all of our missed moonshots and war stories.
The NoM flag will fly over the cryptosphere, or Molly Stark sleeps a widow in 2027.
“Live feeless, or die.”
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### Author:  [@0x3639](http://forum.zenon.org/u/0x3639)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2023, 10:36am UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/62 "2023-10-15T10:36:51Z")
As I continue down my learning journey, I found this post interesting. I’m not trying to make any political statements here. I’m just pointing this out. This developer is one of the lead devs for the project.
[https://x.com/DesheShai/status/1713263398241091745?s=20](https://x.com/DesheShai/status/1713263398241091745?s=20)
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### Author:  [@NeoShredder](http://forum.zenon.org/u/NeoShredder)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2023, 3:39pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/63 "2023-10-15T15:39:07Z")
They are people after all!
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### Author:  [@cryptocheshire](http://forum.zenon.org/u/cryptocheshire)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/64 "2023-10-15T20:11:36Z")
On-chain governance IS politics in its purest form. Politics are an inherent part of this space. Also shows the necessity for leaderless-ness
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### Author:  [@jacoprofit](http://forum.zenon.org/u/jacoprofit)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/65 "2024-02-02T13:39:25Z")
Great recap! I completely share your perspective. As someone who’s just diving into this ecosystem, I find that while you’re passionate about the unique aspects of what you’re creating, it’s challenging for me to grasp a straightforward, slogan-like understanding of the project’s goals when I seek information. I think you have hit the point here. It would be nice to have something easy to digest and sellable for the mass to share.
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### Author:  [@cryptocheshire](http://forum.zenon.org/u/cryptocheshire)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/66 "2024-02-02T17:59:48Z")
This is how I spin it. Not necessarily for all audiences but in line with current trends:
Problem:
Many “Bitcoin DeFi” solutions actually follow the Ethereum ethos:
- token sales
- huge insider allocations
- leadership cults
- raise money first, build later
- based on progressively centralizing, unscalable proof-of-stake
Satoshi would turn in his grave - if it was not for Zenon:
- built by anon Bitcoin OGs
- first-in-kind hybrid POS/POW, dual-coin architecture (Meta DAG + Block Lattice)
- progressively decentralizing since 2019
- 100% pure, egalitarian launch
- NO token sale
- Feeless paradigm
- Completely leaderless
Coming Soon
- $ZNN backed by BTC with decentralized merge mining
- Bitcoin POW-secured DeFi with trustless sidechains
- Feeless native BTC transactions
There are so many L1 & L2s. How is Zenon different?
Just like Bitcoin, Zenon
- is fully community driven
- requires validators to burn money to get more voting power
- offers a level playing field for everyone
Unlike other L1s & L2s, Zenon
- solves the DLT trilemma
- offers feeless transactions
- fully commits to the Bitcoin ethos, offering the only acceptable solution to scale Bitcoin’s incredible POW security to power the global digital economy and network states.
Zenon has been around since 2019. What’s the catch?
Since there is no central leadership and there was no token sale at Zenon’s genesis to give VCs, KOLs, exchanges and marketing agencies massive insider allocations, all growth is 100% organic and community-driven - just like Bitcoin’s.
As a result, growth takes time. But offering a level playing field and a protocol that was designed to be interoperable with Taproot years ahead of its implementation, attracts the smartest builders and cypherpunks.
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### Author:  [@aliencoder](http://forum.zenon.org/u/aliencoder)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/67 "2024-02-02T20:16:55Z")
> [@cryptocheshire](#):
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> Bitcoin POW-secured DeFi with trustless sidechains
- `extension-chains` that will inherit the security of NoM and implicitly Bitcoin in the future, enabling support for [EVM](https://ethereum.org/developers/docs/evm), [WASM](https://webassembly.org/) and multiple other execution environments
> [@cryptocheshire](#):
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> - $ZNN backed by BTC with decentralized merge mining
- First decentralized mining pool for Bitcoin, aligned to the peer-to-peer nature of the first and only electronic cash system
- First coin to be backed by physical Bitcoin (digital ofc, just emphasizing that it’s not a wrapped representation of BTC) at protocol level
- Trustless ZK-rollups on Bitcoin, powered by NoM using Bitcoins acquired via merge-mining
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### Author:  [@cryptocheshire](http://forum.zenon.org/u/cryptocheshire)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](http://forum.zenon.org/t/kaspa-can-we-learn-anything-from-them/1627/68 "2024-02-02T20:33:03Z")
Now that is sexy af @mehowbrainz
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